April 11, 2025

45 thoughts on “5 Degrees Warmer: Civilization Collapses | National Geographic

  1. Ho hum…more debunking of your non-science:

    "No, it hasn't been cooling since 1998. Even if we ignore long term trends and just look at the record-breakers, that wasn't the hottest year ever. Different reports show that, overall, 2005 was hotter than 1998. What's more, globally, the hottest 12-month period ever recorded was from June 2009 to May 2010."

    Hey, where is that U of Waterloo "proof"? Nowhere to be seen….

  2. "Global warming caused by CFCs, not carbon dioxide, study says
    Thursday, May 30, 2013
    WATERLOO, Ont. (Thursday, May 30, 2013) – Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) are to blame for global warming since the 1970s and not carbon dioxide, according to new research from the University of Waterloo published in the International Journal of Modern Physics B this week."

    Why are you getting emotional?

  3. Things are only "nowhere to be seen" because you choose not to look for evidence that contradicts your simplistic, inane world view. You are willfully ignorant of anything that does not support your "cause". Too stubborn to learn, and too dumb to be objective.
    Typical traits of the collectivist servant.

  4. Ha! You had good reason to try and hide it. It's garbage. From Skeptical Science again (a site run by REAL scientists)-

    "A paper just published in an obscure physics journal by the University of Waterloo's Qing-Bin Lu (2013) has drawn quite a bit of media attention for blaming global warming not on carbon dioxide, but rather on chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs, which are also greenhouse gases). However, there are numerous fundamental flaws in the paper," cont.

  5. "which is based almost entirely on correlation (not causation) and curve fitting exercises.
    Lu's hypothesis can be disproven very simply. He argues that the radiative forcing (global energy imbalance) from CFCs matches global surface temperatures better than that from CO2 over the past decade. This is because as a result of the Montreal Protocol, CFC emissions (and emissions of other halocarbons) have been flat over the past decade, and global surface air temperatures have also been…"cont

  6. "…essentially flat during that short timeframe, while CO2 emissions have continued to rise.

    However, a global energy imbalance doesn't just impact surface temperatures. In fact, only about 2% of global warming is used in heating the atmosphere, while about 90% heats the oceans. Over the past decade, ocean and overall global heating have continued to rise rapidly, accumulating the equivalent of about 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second."

  7. "So while CFCs might match surface temperature changes better than CO2 emissions over the past decade, CO2 emissions better match the relevant metric – overall global heat accumulation. Since a global energy imbalance influences global heat content and not just surface temperatures, this by itself is sufficient to falsify Lu's hypothesis."

    They go on to tear it apart in detail. Man, it sucks to be you, but then you're the moron that posts that shit.

  8. Actually they're nowhere to be seen because 1) you didn't post it til I mentioned it and 2) your reference has been PROVEN to be a bunch of garbage.

    I have the real science on my side and you don't. There is no debate about this, but go ahead and keep proving how wrong I am and keep making me and everyone on the side of science look good.

  9. Oh but of course! The "real" science! Your single webpage, which is politically driven, and has be outed for misinterpreting data, focusing on certain areas of the globe which highlight their hypothesis, but sticking clear of including areas that completely contradict it. Manipulating graphs, adding "alarming" curves, where none exist. They draw linear trends from the past, and ignore that their has been no significant warming since 2003. T

  10. …That wasn't my comment. LOL
    My god you are completely oblivious to anything that isn't thrown down your throat by CNN, aren't you? Here's an idea – become an individual. Use some perception.
    For a guy who rants and raves about how stupid everybody is, you sure don't sound all that educated. Me thinks community college, at best.

  11. Wow, it sure sucks to be you.

    I completely blast the garbage you posted- PROVE that it and its author have been laughed out of the room by REAL scientists, so of course you whine about it with bullshit claims. You don't have a single piece of science backing you up- I have plenty.

    Oh, I already PROVED that your bogus claim about there being no warming since 2003 is bullshit, and since that bogus claim is the signature of the ignorant, way to go in confirming your loser status.

  12. What's really funny is that your only website states that "the correlation between temperature and CFC's is stronger than that for CO2, however correlation does not equal causation".
    Yet all of their "studies" saying CO2 is the main cause, are all correlative! LOL too funny! But certainly people like you fall for it hook line and sinker, since they have a catchy name, and they reaffirm all of your preexisting political beliefs.
    You're pathetic.

  13. Time to beat down captainjackoff again. Here's what the website (from real scientists) says-

    "Lu tried to demonstrate that CFCs can account for the recent global surface warming through unphysical curve fitting, multiplying the CFC forcing by whatever value allowed the CFC data to best fit the temperature data. When using physical constraints, CFCs (included in "halocarbons" in Figure 2) can account for only about 20% as much warming as CO2."

  14. Why do you call a discussion a "beat down"? How childish are you? Even if I'm wrong on every point, why do you feel the need to berate those who actually engage in discussion with you?
    You must have a really low self esteem. Low self worth, low academic performance, must have led you to overcompensate for your past inadequacy.

  15. "It may seem like news due to the grandiose claims of overturning the vast body of scientific evidence supporting CO2-caused global warming, but it is very rare for a single paper to accomplish this type of feat. More often the single paper claiming to overturn the body of established scientific research is wrong. That is clearly the case for Lu (2013), which is based on assuming rather than proving the hypothesis, unphysical curve fitting, and misrepresenting the cited research."

  16. Spare me.

    1. Stop being on the wrong side of the issue.
    2. Stop posting stupid comments.
    3. Stop posting "sources" that make you look even dumber.
    4. When you and your sources are proven wrong, stop throwing tantrums.
    5. If you're going to keep doing it anyway, grow a pair and get a thicker skin.

    That's why you get beat down….your lameness is astounding and it's not my fault you insist upon it.

  17. Check out National Geographics, "X degrees warmer series", Talk about unapologetic cashing in on irrational fear. Surely no one believes they are any better at predicting these things than they are at making successful model projections.

    Yikes

    watch?v=7nRf2RTqANg

  18. The poor from new Orleans were sent to Texas where they now have homes and cars that they never had before and also more lucrative places to burgle as Louisiana had grown quite lean. Yes, we are already in a feedback loop that now prevents us from ever returning to normalcy. The camps are for those who are a problem like those who know this truth. If you have not prepared for the long haul, then it is too late. Fukushima promises to poison many in the US as the west coast radiation alarms have been turned off as of a few days after the radiation began arriving as have the Canadian alarms. Further construction of nuclear power plants seem an overkill after Chernobyl and Fukushima have destroyed so much land and ocean and people. Where will this all end? When will the people realize that voting is something very powerful and change the system that is destroying the homeland forever with the power that they seem never to use constructively? Why???BECOME INFORMED AND VOTE RESPONSIBLY FOR EVERYONES SAKE.DON`T ALLOW THE CORPORATIONS TO KILL AND POISON EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THEMSELVES AND THE STOCK HOLDERS……………………………….ONLY THE VOTE CAN CHANGE AND IMPROVE LIFE IN THE HOMELAND…………………….USE IT WISELY OR WE ARE ALL LOST.

  19. Utter nonsense all based on computer models, many of which have already proven to be wrong. Models which don't even take atmospheric moisture levels into consideration. Why? Because they are impossible to predict. Yet that is the greatest impacter on climate. We could just as well have a super abundance of food due to such a warming. The fact that NONE of the computer models to date come anywhere close to actual weather conditions should give these people a clue how much nonsense all this is. Heck, the UN used to have a map up showing all the places that were supposed to be under water a few years ago. They quietly took it down out of sheer embarassment. The current reality of the situation seems to have zero effect on these climate change fanatics who are really after your money. The ones that aren't are just sheep who listen to whoever bleats the loudest and most often.

  20. Washington Post says it learned "With no government action, Exxon experts told us …. 5 degrees Celsius, with rises of 6, 7 or even more quite possible".

  21. More Communist authored fake Science. Exoplanet explorers have found Super Earth's, better than Earth, because they are 5 degrees C warmer than the Earth's 59 Degrees F. (5C = 9.5F). So how can a super Earth that is 5 degrees C warmer be a better earth? And yet we are told that a 0.6C degree rise in the past 170 years will destroy the entire Earth? The real reason glaciers are frozen at higher altitudes is because of the ideal gas law, not greenhouse gas effect. Ideal gas law says Delta Temperature = Delta Pressure.

  22. This is my greatest fear about climate change; basically our entire civilization is destroyed by it due to the choices of our leaders today. They need to be careful for what they wish for, else their countries could fall apart in the climate apocalypse.

  23. I read that if all fossil fuels were burned, the average temperature would rise to 9 degrees Celsius, which would throw Mother Nature even more out of balance than it is today and scorch our world. Billions would be lost to flood, fire, storm, drought, and rising oceans.

  24. 2023 1.5C average/ Feb. 2024 1.77C above pre-industrial/ 6 days so far over 2C, two in Nov. 2023 & four in Feb. 2024. Why are temps going up so fast? I read this today 3/10/2024 "Oceans are a symptom of gas trapped heat accumulated over decades. That heat is now emerging and pushing air temperatures into uncharted territory."

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