Win-Win with Liv Boeree 
How do we escape Moloch’s trap for good? In this special Burning Man edition of Win-Win, Liv forgoes the usual purple chairs for dusty playa to chat with Kristian Rönn. Kristian is the CEO and co-founder of Normative, a platform for helping industries strive for net zero emissions.
With intellectual roots in Oxford’s Future of Humanity Institute and his own mission to create positive-sum solutions to climate change, Kristian has just launched a new book – The Darwinian Trap – and in this conversation, Liv and Kristian examine solutions to the short-term thinking and cost externalisation that traditional markets often produce. A conversation full of evolutionary biology, game theory and economics as they examine solutions to the world’s deadliest demon.
Chapters
0:00 – Intro
1:42 – The Darwinian Trap
3:43 – Why Is Coordination So Hard?
7:19 – Unstable Equilibria
13:55 – Natural Selection and Capitalism
20:16 – How Can A Market Model Anything At All?
22:10 – Betting On Our Values
27:29 – The Power of Reputational Markets
32:56 – Centralized Mechanisms as Solutions
35:16 – The Dangers of Over-Centralization
39:46 – The Burning Man Model
43:00 – Mixed Economies
45:55 – Cancer & Defection
50:59 – The Miracle of Evolutionary Success
54:03 – Finding Hope
1:00:00 – Why Burning Man?
Links
♾️ Kristian’s New Book: https://www.amazon.com/Darwinian-Trap-Evolutionary-Explain-Threaten/dp/0593594053
♾️ Kristian’s Bio: https://normative.io/author/kristian-ronn/
♾️ Liv’s TED talk on Moloch – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_vN1QYgmE
♾️ Reputational Markets – https://www.existentialhope.com/podcasts/kristian-ronn-the-darwinian-trap-that-explains-our-world
♾️ Episode Transcript: https://winwinpodcast.com/episodes-1/f/31—kristian-r%C3%B6nn—escaping-the-moloch-trap
Credits
♾️ Hosted and Produced by Liv Boeree
♾️ Post-Production by Ryan Kessler
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
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Moloch is immortal
Powerful statement releasing this on all hallows eve, Halloween, or whatever people call this night of the thin veil.
molock is the nature of humans and the nature of power
there is such an reputaion score it's called ESG and it's the way BLASKROCK and ther big companies get moer power
it's all way to eazy to corrupt
eu is a failed prodject
the only way to save it is to go back to it's root and just let it be free trade and nothing els
and ofc it sill never do it
How in the hell did you get audio that sounds like it came from indoors?
Clever!
where we are now is the result of a sucumstances incentives and choises and all we do now is trying to escape the resuts of that
my gues is that sill only make it worse
the result of all that is ppl knowing the shit is about to hit the fan and adjusting accordingly
wich in turn accelerates this process of the hard reset
i'm not sure there is a way out of this other than a hard reset (collaps)
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So glad i stumbled on this episode. Thank you both. I've been interested in this topic of reputation but specifically in the digital world. I would love to join the sub reddit if you make one.
I don't like how he ignores that collaboration within group is what defines us as human.
He talks as if life started in post agricultural society. When humans have evolved and lived most of our existance in less hierarchical structures.
Most important and beautiful theorem of physics says that, if energy is conserved and if you do the same experiment in different moments of time you will have the same results. Same if impulse is conserved if you do the same experiment in different places in space you will have same results. But that theorem come relatively late. On the other side is math and psychoanalysis. Axiom of choice says that if you have two different measures you can find one universal measure that covers both initial measures, in other words money always win in measuring things. And psychoanalysis says that we start our development in relation to one single total/totalitarian object. So totalitarian is possibly not rule of the universe but is very deep in our nature and culture. Learning supposes that we do different experiments…on the edge somewhere between repetition of what we know and unknown. And here we come to quality of education, totalitarianism is good in self reproduction as we know from communist experiment. Coordination is great point of view but we come to S. Wolfram's theory of automates and what we can't predict before the end of computation…with growing human population we are most likely to fail in inventing more and more complex coordinations…?…
One interviewer and shorter video is better even if we don't have a final answer. Thanks.
Super intéressant. Si seulement il y avait une traduction en français…
Really great conversation
nonsense
You are arguing for the social credit system.
coordination is an autopoietic system and the AI is a quantum leap acceleration towards alignment
Its fusion, or bust
I have the solution to Moloch. If not, tell me what is wrong with this logic:
1. As long as we must compete against each other to survive, we are forced to sacrifice the long term common good for our short term advantage.
2. The sacrifice of long term common good will lead to catastrophic destruction or the competition to survive will lead to mutual destruction with high tech.
3. The only way to end the competition to survive is to become one global team and all work towards one shared goal.
4. The only goal we can all share voluntarily is one that benefits everyone equally
5. The only goal that benefits everyone equally is that of meeting EVERYONE'S fundamental needs (including emotional needs that if not met lead to pathologies)
6. The only way to meet everyone's fundamental needs without a competition to decide what conditions must be met or whether or not they have been met is by meeting EVERYONE'S needs UNCONDITIONALLY.
7. The only way to have everyone accept this goal voluntarily is by inspiring them to do so through education about fundamental emotional needs and persuasion.
8. Fundamental human needs are necessary to be understood because they are fundamental to our mental and physical health. Most people don't know all humans have the same fundamental emotional needs nor what they are. So most people, even intellegent and powerful are mostly wandering around blind to their needs and those of all other humans they live with and depend on. Therefore, raising awareness about them is the single most effective action we can take to defeat Moloch and create a better world.
Not coordination, but military power
Techbros pretending to understand anthropology always sound like they think Atlas Shrugged really happened…
Yes, well enough about that, where did that guy get his shirt? It's gorgeous.
2:55 "same thing when it comes to climate change, right? Like in order to survive as a business, you need to be more profitable…" Quite uncoupled. But maybe he has something. You obviously think so, so → Watch Later